Thursday, February 6, 2014

Three Preachers In a Row

Three preachers in a row
Answered the question they couldn't know.
Three sermons back to back
Gave the full answer I thought I lacked.

A visitor comes and a visitor goes.
The church never learns of his or her woes.
But believe me, God knows.

Three churches God would use.
Three pastors Christ would guide.
Three Sundays the Spirit would speak.
Three times a visitor cried.

None ever knew, or ever could learn
Exactly how the Spirit would turn.
None ever knew, directed by the Lord,
How they'd perfectly used the Spirit's sword.

"Please, God, what can I do?
Have I done all I can?"
The loud, simple preacher pounded this:
"Place it in the Lord's hand."

"Please, God, wasn't I right?
Didn't I have clean hands?"
Doctor Eloquent Pastor made his point:
"God defends a righteous man."

"Oh, God, what of my future?
Won't that be in jeopardy, too?"
A loving shepherd read it:
"I know the plans I have for you."

God didn't lead to join.
God didn't lead to stay.
Though He made it very clear
Why He did bring me each way.

Three preachers far apart
All working for the Master.
Moved by God to preach the Word
And give a stranger his answer.

Somehow the lesson spreads
Beyond my problems at that time.
Somehow I think that I was shown
A picture more divine.

Somehow I learned a thing or two
Of how God can work through me.
How many times am I the one
Blindly fulfilling another's need?

"Oh God, I'll let You use me
Whether or not I know.
Please do, I pray. Start today.
Make my account to grow.
Maybe, Lord, I can be just one
Of a stranger's three preachers in a row."

Victor E. Mowery
February 5, 2014

Sunday, November 17, 2013

The Road Trip to Freedom

By Victor E. Mowery
November 17, 2013

We were going up to Cameron, Bobby said. "Let's go!"  Bobby T. had just bought a car, and that's the very first place he wanted to go in it. And I was the only one he wanted to take along. Or maybe I was just the only other one in our crowd not scheduled to work at our fast food jobs that summer day before our senior year.

It was a nice car for a teenager, a twenty-year old Ford LTD like my Grandpa always drove. In fact, it had been my Grandpa's, until a few hundred dollars changed hands the day before. Now it was ours. Or at least it was Bobby's, but it sort of felt like mine too, seeing as how it was my Grandpa and my gas money. But that's what you do with your best bud, you support his dream to "go home" for a visit, even if you're paying the bill.

Cameron felt like home to Bobby for some reason. Actually, the way he talked, it was more like Heaven. "Dude, we're going home, Brother-Man!"  At least that's what it sounded like he said with all four electric windows rolled down at 65 miles per hour and the radio blaring.  "We" he had said, though I had never been there or even heard of Cameron before that day. But if it was home to him, it could be home to me, at least for the day. Again, that's how you support your best bud's dream.

This was my first road trip without my parents and it gave me a weird set of feelings. Partly I felt guilty, like I shouldn't enjoy so much being so far from home without adults, and screaming farther away at more than a mile a minute. Partly I felt free, like if we wanted to, we could just keep going north all the way to Canada or turn left right here for California. Partly I felt the same kind of apprehension of the first day in a new school: who will I meet and what will they be like? But mostly I just felt normal. And normal is a weird feeling for me, because it comes along so rarely. I felt like a normal human being with a normal friend doing a normal thing that people normally do. Like I said, weird, right? Well, it was for me anyway.

I wasn't quite sure who we were going to visit in Cameron. Bobby's plans were not that concrete. As it turns out, we got off the exit ramp, turned right to head into town, and it seemed to me that we stopped at the very first house we saw. A few silent worries immediately jumped into my mind. Are we just going to start here and knock on doors down Main Street until he finds somebody he knows? Or does he know everybody in town and plan to visit them all, starting at this house? Either plan I would not have put past him to try. "Dude, Home!" was all he said, wistfully, as he shoved the gear shifter into PARK and turned off the big V-8.

I followed Bobby around the side to the home's large back yard, where we found a fortyish man, his wife and a few small kids variously lounging and playing. A spark of recognition lit every face and hugs and handshakes all around introduced me to Rick and his family.

Apparently Rick had been an older mentor, guide and friend to Bobby at a time of turmoil in his younger life. But then again, when in Bobby's seventeen years had there not been turmoil? He always needed a mentor and rarely had one, it seemed to me. But this Rick had been one for a significant time in years past. They'd played guitar together, shot archery and guns, hunted and fished together. Rick had coached Bobby almost to a state archery title. And yet I had not before heard of this man who was so influentual in my best friend's life.

It wasn't long before the small talk, chit-chat and catching up on the years of separation had passed. Then the bows and arrows came out. To my surprise, Bobby pulled his own compound bow out of the green Ford's trunk. So he had planned ahead and even packed for this trip? That guy will always surprise you most just when you think you have him figured out.

My image of bows and arrows involved The Dukes of Hazzard. You remember Bo and Luke Duke? They were convicted felons on TV who were not allowed to have guns, so instead they used bows with dynamite sticks on the tips of their arrows. Apparently that's way less dangerous than guns, so it's perfectly legal for ex-cons to use when they need some firepower. At least that's the law in Hazzard County. And that was my limited knowledge of bows and arrows.

As Rick led the way to the back edge of his fenced acre, my eyes were scanning the meadow for the outhouse that we were no doubt going to explode with a dynamite-tipped arrow. All I saw instead was a hay bale with a paper target fastened. "How boring," I almost said out loud.

They passed the time shooting the breeze, shooting the hay and shooting off their mouths with bragging, betting and friendly trash-talk competition. Bobby was good, but he didn't seem like state champ material to me. But then again, he was out of practice. I didn't say anything.

As for Rick, I could tell that this unexpected visit was a highlight in his life at the time. Even in the short time we spent together, something told me that he was not doing so great. Something was eating at him and maybe it was his own turn to need a mentor in a time of turmoil. But for a few hours that day, he did enjoy reliving the past.

We went into the house to visit just a while longer before we left, and it was there that I saw the record album that brings all this back to memory after more than two decades. It was an album by my favorite old band, but strangely I had never even heard of this record before. This entire day had just been one surprise after another.

I mentioned the album to Rick and his face lit up as we discussed it. With the boldness that only a teenage city boy has, I asked this near stranger if I could borrow the record and take it to my home sixty miles away.

I saw the flash of pain in Rick's eyes at my request. It was an unfamiliar expression to me then, but I have seen it many times since: when a drunk has his bottle taken away or any cripple his crutch; when a junky's stash is found and destroyed; when the government shuts down and welfare moms are on the local TV news frantic that their precious babies are going to starve. It is a look or a tone of voice that's part fear, part haughty indignation at being put upon, and a lot of realization of just how big a change is really coming. That's the look I saw on Rick's face when I asked to borrow the only vinyl record he still had sitting on a shelf full of compact discs.

Of course Rick was going to say no to my request. How could I even ask to borrow that album? How would I bring it back? Before he could stammer out a reply that wouldn't hurt my feelings, his wife intervened. "Sure you can borrow it," she said to me, though she was looking directy at him. She was nodding her head in such a way as to lead him to do the same. He looked hurt and betrayed, but he nodded and made me promise to bring it back. We said our goodbyes and got in the car.

On our way back home I looked over the album cover while Bobby set the cruise control. "1970," I said. "The same year as this old car." There wasn't a single song title on the whole album that I recognized. And this was my favorite band! How could I have missed this album when I owned ten others by them?

Once home, I listened to the album on my record player and I promptly put it away on the shelf. I wanted to like it, but the music and lyrics were so dark, kind of a downer. Still, it pulled you out of that by the end of side two. Not in a feel-good way, just kind of like somebody commiserating with you. Only I wasn't depressed that day and didn't need anybody commiserating with me, least of all this band that made such happy music I enjoyed on their other albums.

Nevertheless, when I ended up on a bummer some time later, I found myself pulling out this album. And again later. And a few months later. Or weeks. Or days. I would listen to it all the way through every time I was in the dumps. And every time, I thought, We need to make a run up to Cameron and give the guy his album back. But I just couldn't. I needed it, I thought. I need it when I feel bad. I need this music. Not because it makes me feel better, but just because it makes me feel like I can go on, continue through the pain.

I always intended to take the album back. Maybe after the next time I listen to it. Or the time after that.

And then Bobby got the news through a mutual friend in Cameron: Rick had committed suicide.

I put the album away and rarely looked at it again. Ten years passed. Then one day a lifetime of fundamentalist preaching finally took hold in my heart. The Bible was clear to me one day that there are things that honor my Saviour and things that don't, and that principle extends to every area of life including music. I had heard it since childhood, but it finally made sense in a way I could not deny the work of God upon me.

I started going through my hundreds of records, cassette tapes and CDs, to purge my shelves of any music that did not please Jesus Christ. And then I saw Rick's record and GUILT welled up inside me.

GUILTY ! GUILTY ! GUILTY !

The man was in turmoil. His lips said to take the record but his face pleaded with me not to, though I didn't recognize it at the time. That record was his artificial crutch in times of despair, just like it had become for me at one point. I took his album and he didn't have it when he needed it. Could I have taken it back to him in time to prevent his suicide? Did he kill himself because I had the only thing in his life that got him through the tough times?

I was paralyzed with GUILT. How much was I to blame? Was Rick's suicide my fault?

While I was burning my music in the back yard, I was making vows to God about certain things being in my past, for good. And it struck me then: Rick needed Jesus.

He didn't need this album in his despair, he needed Christ. Even when I had leaned on this music for a crutch, it did nothing for me that Christ could've done, would've done. I should have looked unto Jesus. And so should others.

I am a frail human being and I will make mistakes, but that doesn't put on me the blame for other people's actions. They should be looking unto Jesus. I can't control what others will do or not do. I am only responsible for myself. I will give an account for my failures, and even for my dealings with others, but not for any others' reactions to me.

All this hit me in my back yard as the acrid black smoke stung my eyes. Was it tears I felt as I thought about this freedom from guilt? I have plenty to be ashamed of myself, but I don't have to plead guilty for anybody else's actions.

Rick's suicide is on him (may God have mercy on him). I have no idea what the man was dealing with and for all I know he never even thought about that record again. I am to blame for my own actions, but not for his or anybody else's.

Now another ten years have passed and I am trying to learn that same lesson again. Frankly, I spent fifteen months or so wallowing in my own spiritual waste when I should've been leading and feeding the few dozen souls that had called me Pastor for the prior five years. And yet, as great as the account is that I will have to give for that time, and as much as I believe that "everything rises or falls on leadership," I am not to blame for the way that anybody else dealt with that situation. I am certainly not guilty of any of the clandestine nonsense, dishonesty, gossip and backstabbing that started after my repentance, most of which I was unaware of till it was all over. After I finally pieced together what happened around me, I carried the guilt of all that for too long. What could I have done differently that would have seen people do this instead...? Surely they wouldn't have felt like they needed to... if only I had... what? I didn't know, but I was sure it was all mostly my fault anyway.

I was accused (though to others, not to my face or in my presence) of specific lies I didn't tell, and even though I caught others in deception, I felt like I had done something to cause it, though I didn't know what. When my wife became frustrated with others' responses to us, I would remind her that this wouldn't be happening if not for my own failure. When my children would question what was happening, I would take all blame for all the pain they felt. That fifteen months and afterward had brought all this on and whatever happened with others was a result of my own failure, I believed.

And then I remembered Rick's album and the lesson the Holy Spirit taught me as I burned it in the backyard ten years before.

It ain't on me! The road trip to freedom starts by taking responsibility for your own sin, but that's also where it ends. Your own sin... and nobody else's!

Be an influence, yes. Be an example. Be a watchman or a shepherd or a parent or a leader. But don't be a scapegoat! Knock that off!

There is only One Who can ever truly take the guilt of others upon Himself. And those others, and you, and all of us need to get our eyes off each other and even off ourselves and straight onto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith. He is our road to freedom from ALL guilt, both our true guilt and our so-called false guilt that we lade upon ourselves.

Remember that when you try to take on the guilt of others, you are trying to take the place of Jesus Christ. Stop that!

I went back to Cameron for the funeral of Bobby's grandmother. I couldn't find Rick's house again. But I wasn't really trying that hard, I just wanted to drive by for a memory. Yes I have personal remorse about Rick, but it's all about his album, not about his suicide. I don't have any loose ends to tie up with regard to Rick.
Just like I had to realize I have no loose ends to tie up with with my last pastorate. I earnestly sought forgiveness from God and man, received it from God (and some men) and that's the end of it in this life.  I will carry to the Judgment Seat only "the things done in my body." And so will others. There is much that will be revealed in That Day about those events around my failure. But I refuse to share any of the guilt today that Christ will require of others in That Day.

VM

Thursday, August 15, 2013

Praise God Doxology

Praise God from Whom all blessings flow.

"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of Lights, with Whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."

Praise Him all creatures here below.

"Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD."

"And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever."

Praise Him above, ye heavenly host.

"Praise ye Him, all His angels: Praise ye Him, all His hosts."

"Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of His glory."

"And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia."

Praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all."

Amen.

"Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.,

VM

Sunday, August 4, 2013

Burning Bridges Burn Out

As I turned to watch some bridges burn behind me,
A voice, soft but strong, spoke up to remind me:
"Remember, child, you did not start that fire.
Therefore all your many tears won't put it out.
Yes, you tried to cross the bridge in time,
But their high required toll had ruled you out."

I recognized the voice as One I used to know.
We spoke so often back when... well, awhile ago.
"Listen, Lord," I said to Him,
"I worked hard on these spans.
With years of toil and labor;
Do You see my calloused hands?"

His answer was so clear,
Like the answer He gave Job.
"Who really owns these bridges?
(And others around the globe?)
Don't you think I had a plan?
Don't you think I knew?"
His questions jarred my hurting heart,
And feeble faith fast grew.

"These weak bridges just couldn't last the years;
I knew that all along.
I pulled you safe to this side,
Before you, too, went wrong.
I could not let this bridge collapse
With you still crossing over.
I've better plans for you, my child,
That you'll soon discover."

In all my thinking on this fire,
This I'd never thought:
From danger, I was rescued,
And to this safe side was brought.
And just in time before disaster worse:
Before a bridge would fall while I traverse.

These burning bridges weren't His idea,
But still accounted fully in His plan.
Amazing how His Providence and care,
Around our weakness, holds us in His hand.

I could be shipwrecked like some over there.
I could've stumbled on the other side.
I could've tumbled down in that deep chasm.
But here I STAND! On this side, to abide.

And all because Lord Jesus saw my danger,
And chose the time to let weak bridges burn.
I see now how our bridges would've crumbled
Since on the other side, their road would turn.

Yes, their road would turn and go the wrong direction.
Might I turn as well, through my affection?
By grace, that crossroads I shall never face.
Because our bridge is fully burnt down now. By grace.

Victor Mowery, August 4, 2013

Friday, June 7, 2013

Fishy Cherries???

I broke one of my own longstanding rules: Never, ever, ever buy unrecognized brands of food at discount stores like Big Lots or Dollar Tree.  I have had that rule for decades, but in recent years reinforced it after all the crazy food and product scandals coming out of China.

But it was a jar of cherries. Cherries!!! And it was only one dollar at Dollar Tree. And I have been thinking about adding cherries to my ever developing homemade cherry limeade recipe (since it's such a long drive to Fritz's happy hour now.)  And I still had all the other ingredients at home and no kids to have to share with. This was going to be Vic's cherry limeade weekend!!!

My first red flag before I bought the cherries (besides my rule) should have been when the first jar I picked up had a lid that was already "popped" - you know how canned items should have a lid that is sealed down and not "poppy" feeling. I did tell the cashier that some of them were like that. But I still bought a different jar.

My second red flag should have been the fish smell when I opened the jar at home. But, I thought, maybe it was just a preservative or something and they will taste okay. I pulled out a cherry and sniffed it and it didn't have any smell. So I popped it in my mouth.

And then... and then... and then...

Wait for it...

You already guessed it.  Tasted just like canned sardines. Or maybe a cross between sardines and Long John Silvers fish if they ever tried to can it. It tasted like all that and more, but there is one thing it didn't taste anything like. It didn't have even a hint of cherry flavor, that's for sure. Not even an aftertaste.

So when I got done gagging I promised myself to stick to my rule from now on: Never, ever, *EVER* buy unrecognized brands of food at discount stores like Big Lots or Dollar Tree.  EVER.

VM

Wednesday, June 5, 2013

Bold for Christ and Family

Senator's Wife Publicly Begs Strippers to Leave Her Husband Alone | The Weekly Standard

(Link fixed 6/8/2013)

The headline of course is designed to cast doubt on this family man, when in fact the story is great! Check it out.

VM

Saturday, May 18, 2013

Repentant or Reprobate? (Part One)

My Christian friend from a southern state sat there at the pizza buffet and relayed the story of his former pastor from years gone by.  The pastor had been involved in an improper relationship with a teenage girl, but nobody had found him out.  A few years later, the now adult girl brought these things to light.  To make a long story short, my friend's pastor eventually resigned that church and shortly picked up in another pastorate hundreds of miles away.

In trying to make sense of the way the pastor handled the situation before resigning, my friend said, "He seemed more sorry that he got caught."  In other words, the pastor did not seem truly repentant to my friend, although he did seem so to the church as a whole.

Another Christian friend tells the story of a man in a prior church having an affair with his wife's best friend, who then gave birth to his baby.  Repentance was expressed verbally, but then the man was shunned by most of the church.  My friend believed the pair were truly repentant, although the church as a whole did not.  Then it came to light that their affair continued even after it was found out.

In these two examples, some believed the offenders were repentant and some did not.

These two examples and a recent situation of my own have me asking the question: What criteria do we use to determine whether a brother (or sister) who has been "overtaken in a fault" (Galatians 6:1) is repentant or not?  When do we draw the line?  How long do we keep them at arm's length, or when do we cut them off completely, or when do we embrace them back into fellowship?  What are we looking to see in them, or not see, in order to make the determination?

As in all things, our answer has to come from applying the Word of God to the situation at hand.

One verse comes immediately to mind regarding the first situation above, the pastor who was exposed in a wrong relationship with a teen girl.  "For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death" - II Corinthians 7:10.

We see in this verse that there are two kinds of sorrow: "godly sorrow" (or literally "sorrow in accord with God") and "the sorrow of the world."  Godly sorrow is that which produces "repentance" - a literal change of mind.  This changed mind now agrees with God about the horrible nature of sin (in general or in particular), about one's guilt, about the just consequences of sin, and about the steps necessary to make things right.  We see this godly sorrow in Zacchaeus (Luke 19:1-10), Saul of Tarsus (Paul; Acts 9; I Timothy 1:15), King David (II Samuel 12; Psalm 51) and others throughout the scripture.

The sorrow of the world, on the other hand, is sorrow that one got caught, denial of the justness of sin's consequences, and no commitment to change.

Now in the first case, my friend stated that his pastor "seemed like he was more sorry he got caught."  I will stop right there and say that we should be VERY hesitant to think we know what someone is feeling - to judge their inner thoughts, assume their motivations and so forth. We cannot base our acceptance of someone's repentance on what we think they are thinking.

We are WAY too quick to look at how someone carries their self or their countenance and to think we know what is going on inside. People don't wear sackcloth and ashes anymore, and they don't have to walk around stoop shouldered and sour mouthed for a "grieving period" after they repent. To judge repentance based on how somebody seems in their appearance or demeanor is foolish. If they have confessed to God and secured cleansing, which takes place instantly and in secret, they ought to be joyful from that moment on. But some people will see the smile of the forgiven, or the hopefulness of the one who is back on track and moving forward, and they will make a false judgement that the brother is not repentant. How utterly foolish.

We need to be careful. And I am speaking as one who has been on both sides of that problem.  But I will talk more about that when we discuss my own recent experience.

So apart from how the pastor "seemed" in his demeanor and appearance, there has to be a more objective and biblical set of criteria to figure out if he has godly sorrow (of true repentance) or worldly sorrow. Let's look at it more closely, putting aside our subjective assessment of "how he acts" and sticking with facts of what he actually says or does.

The following can apply to any situation, and we will apply it to this one.

1) How long did it take him to admit wrongdoing? As soon as he was confronted? Or only after the evidence was presented? Or only after some threat, like public exposure or legal action? Or still not even then? In my friend's pastor's case, he fessed up right away upon being confronted. So he gets a passing grade there. Of course it would have been better for him to have dealt with his sin years earlier when it happened, but he took the David route and admitted it when told "Thou art the man."

2) Did he come completely clean or only admit what could be proven? In the case at hand, as far as anybody else knows, he fessed up entirely. So far there is not enough to indict him for being unrepentant.

3) Did he accept the consequences of his actions? There are consequences for sin. The biggest factor in determining repentance is how the erring brother views the consequences. Remember that repentance means a change of mind to agree with God. Does he agree with God not only about the wrongness of his sin, but does he also agree with God's judgment on his sin?  Zacchaeus agreed with God's law about his theft and he gladly made restitution according to the law.  David agreed with God taking his infant son and he went and worshipped after God took the child.  These men had their minds changed by godly sorrow that worked repentance.

Unfortunately there were people on the biblical scene then who were more concerned with appearances. David's servants questioned him when he arose and washed. "Shouldn't he be mourning?"  The crowd around Zacchaeus' house no doubt also had its naysayers when old Zach made his confession. "He didn't seem sincere!"  We are so prone to this! We need to stick with facts, not "seem so" evidence.

In the case at hand, the consequences are clear. The pastor is no longer "blameless" in his marriage and no longer has "a good testimony to them who are without" (unsaved world). He is disqualified from pastoring... in my opinion, ever again. You might argue the "ever" but you can agree that right then he was not qualified. (There had been no state or federal laws broken - the improper relationship didn't cross that line, so there were no legal consequences).

What did the man do? At first he had the church vote whether he should resign. They voted to keep him (not a shock in some types of churches, unfortunately). Later he finally did resign and went to be the pastor of another church. Now we are no longer talking about "how he seemed" but about what he did. And what he did was to NOT accept the proper consequences of his sin, which would have been removal from vocational ministry, at least for a time if not permanantly.

In the first example case, I conclude that the pastor was not repentant, the church wrongly believed he was repentant, and my friend was right about him but based on the wrong evidence: how the man "seemed."  In other words, nobody was fully right in this situation.

Now let's apply these same questions of factual evidence to the second situation, the one with the baby involved.

1) How long did it take to admit wrongdoing?  In the second case, it was only after there was proof of wrongdoing that could not be denied.  I understand the baby was the spit and image of his illegitimate father and looked nothing like his mother's husband, and that's finally when the jig was up.  Not when she became pregnant; not when the baby was born; not when there were a few rumors; only when it was very clear and undeniable.  Strike one on the repentant meter.

2) Did he come completely clean?  No.  A vague church announcement was made about each of the families involved, almost as if there were two separate and unconnected situations.  This was a public sin but there was no public confession.  Strike two for him, but this was how the church leaders chose to handle it.

3) Did he accept the consequences?  No.  He continued secretly in sin after claiming repentance, and made the consequences even worse, eventually splitting up two marriages where the scorned spouses had been initially willing to reconcile.  Strike three.  But again the church bears some blame for not setting up some kind of accountability.

In this case I conclude the man was unrepentant, the church was right about him but jumped to that conclusion sooner than the facts warranted, and my friend was wrong about the man.  So just as in the first example, nobody was fully correct.

In two example cases we have seen unrepentant men judged incorrectly by those Christians around them.  Doesn't it make you also wonder how many times brothers and sisters are likewise misjudged when they are truly repentant? If the reprobate is misjudged and continues in fellowship, how often is the repentant also misunderstood and shunned by those who should be helping to restore him?  It happens more often than we would prefer to admit.

In a future post, I hope to explore some biblical solutions and preventions for both of these problems.  I will also offer up some related lessons I would like to learn from a situation I went through last year.

Repentant?  Or reprobate?  Restore the brother or reject him?  Be careful to make the right choice.  We are dealing with people's lives and hearts and families.  We are dealing with people for whom Jesus died.

VM

PS - If you may be aware of one of the examples I gave and think I got some details wrong, remember that I know lots of people with lots of stories and I may not be talking about the one you're thinking about.  That being said, I have been working on this series of posts for almost a year so I could have mixed up minor details, for which I apologize if so.